Black Widow’s Timeline Makes No Sense; A Breakdown

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I spend a lot of time mapping the timeline for the MCU. Consider it an unhealthy obsession. So I was excited when I found out we were getting a Black Widow period piece (the period being pre 2024 (the current year date for the MCU). The film has been said to occur between Captain America: Civil War and Avengers: Infinity War, which is great. It’s a two year period between April 10th, 2016 to Roughly April-June 2018.

But after seeing the first trailer for Black Widow, I find that I have some issues with that being the proposed main timeframe. For starters, we know we’ll be jumping around the timeline. If we see spend less than 5 minutes watching her grow as a child spy, that would be a true surprise. We also see a young General Ross, digitally de-aged to a period prior to his earliest appearance in 2008’s The Incredible Hulk.

The Incredible Hulk purports itself as occurring in 2007, though through a series of retcons, it can occur no earlier than in 2011. But this young General Ross still appears to be a good 5 to 10 years younger than his appearance in The Incredible Hulk. So let’s place this scene in the early 2000s. My issue is the setting doesn’t fit the age of the character. Note the tenth generation Chevy Suburbans, first introduced in January 2006. If that’s the case, I expect that scene to occur around the time period before The Incredible Hulk, but any earlier than a scene from 2006 and you begin to lose the credibility of the props department, or whomever is in charge of in-universe/chronological consistency. It looks inconsistent, but it could be explained away in film. I hope it will be.

But perhaps the biggest confusion comes in the way of Romanoff’s personal props; the IDs, passports, and visas she uses to get from one country to another. Fascinatingly, there’s a Vietnamese visa with an issue date of January 2019, and an expiration date of 14 January 2021.

If you cross reference sample Vietnamese visas (as seen above), the dates are pretty clearly issue and expiry dates. That denotes one of two things: either part of the film occurs during the 5 year gap between Avengers: Infinity War and Avengers: Endgame, or the prop department royally screwed the pooch in terms of dating the film appropriately. But the strange thing that denotes that this could be a mistake, or an intentional misdirect, is Natasha’s hair. It’s long, red, and inconsistent with the hair she grew out between Avengers: Infinity War and Avengers: Endgame.

What do you think? For more information and my personal thoughts, please see the video above.

Huge Rumors! The Hulk Is Back at Marvel? The New Star Wars Movie Takes Place 400 Years Before…

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Before you get into some of these news items and rumors, please note there are some spoilers to be had in the bunch.

* Despite non-compete setbacks that required Disney to hold off from making content with characters licensed by Netflix for at least two years from the day that respective character’s show was cancelled, it appears Disney has found a way around that hurdle. Defenders characters are rumored to be currently worked upon, which was previously assumed to be impossible within that two year period. There doesn’t appear to be any news on whether the original cast will be re-incorporated, or what medium these characters will be featured in.

* Hulk and Namor could be back at Marvel, according to several sources. While the rumor has only been publicly made a breakthrough this past week, rumors of it have been spreading since a September interview with a Marvel TV creative, Shawn Boogie, who claimed “we got she-hulk, we got Hulk, and we got somebody else back…” That interview has since been wiped from the web. This potentially brings new light to the fact that Ruffalo visited with Feige to discuss the future of the character. Could we be seeing some Solo Hulk films in Phase 5?

* Leaked footage of two young actors, Jack and Nick Fisher, auditioning for the roles of Wanda’s children, may reveal that a character is returning. We won’t be linking to the videos.

* Shang-Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings begins filming shorty, perhaps as soon as Monday, January 6. According to Taika Waititi, filming for Thor: Love and Thunder begins in August/Spider-Man 3, featuring Tom Holland, begins shooting in the Summer.

Star Wars Rumors
* Two new animated series are coming to Disney+, one potentially featuring Doctor Aphra (though this could be live action), as well as a sequel series for Star Wars Rebels, featuring Ahsoka and Sabine.

* A new Star Wars Saga taking place in the High Republic era. It’s not a trilogy, but the start to a new series. 400 years before the Skywalker Saga. This could potentially be linked with Project Luminous, which begins this year, and may start with a video game. Takes place during the period of Darth Bane’s Sith rule of two being established. Db Weiss and David Benioff were initially attached to the project.

What do you think of all this news? We give our thoughts to everything in the video above.

Predictions on the 10 Highest Grossing Films of 2020

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Once the dust has settled on the Rise of Skywalker’s box office numbers, it will surely have passed that lofty billion $ mark, making that the 7th film Disney released in 2019 to achieve that feat. In total, Disney provided about 80% of the biggest films of the year. This was an unbelievable fluke, and one not likely to be repeated by any studio for years to come.

2020 will NOT be dominated with huge Disney hits like 2019 was, that’s for sure. Below (and above in that linked video), are our predictions for the top ten biggest films of the year, using a range of low and high estimates of the overall worldwide gross we expect them to receive.

10. Birds of Prey (Cathy Yan) – February 7
Riding on the star power of Margot Robbie and the enduring fan love of Harley Quinn, we expect this film to surprise many, and we’re going to go out on a limb and suggest it makes roughly the same amount as Suicide Squad made in 2016. While not a direct sequel, it will be a sequel to Harley Quinn’s character. Can it make more than Justice League, which tanked notoriously? We think it can, and will be a surprise hit.
Prediction: $720-775m

9. Tenet (Christopher Nolan) – July 17
Christopher Nolan’s next original IP is likely going to make a pretty penny. The average of Nolan’s three biggest films outside of The Dark Knight Trilogy (Dunkirk, Interstellar, Inception) come out to around $666m. Sinister. Because the film has a reported budget of about $225m, way more than your average superhero fare even, and with Nolan’s propensity for IMAX level productions, we expect Tenet to be highly marketed.
Prediction: $700-850m

8. Black Widow (Cate Shortland) – May 1
Scarlett Johansson is one of the biggest actresses in the world, period. Collectively, the films she’s starred in as Black Widow average a solid $1.5b gross. BUT, we doubt this film will hit the billion dollar mark. The reason being? Nobody went to see an Avengers film because of the spy who had no powers, despite the fact that she performed the impossible and kept up with the heroes around her. That and the fact that her character has recently died, effectively closing her character’s journey. We expect that will disinterest some of the more casual MCU fans, as it did Star Wars fans with Solo: A Star Wars Story.
Prediction: $750-800

7. Eternals (Chloe Zhao) – November 6
Eternals is another big film coming our way that, like Guardians of the Galaxy before it, the average moviegoing audience has never heard of before, but with significantly stronger star power, especially with Angelina Jolie signed aboard. I believe the big push here will be the Chinese market. With Zhao, a native speaker on board, expect there to be a major marketing push in China. Will it break a billion? I don’t expect it will, but it will be huge nonetheless.
Prediction: $820-840m

6. Venom 2 (Andy Serkis) – October 2
The first film was a freakish success for Sony. I don’t think anyone expected it to garner $856m in the worldwide market. With the rumored cameo appearance of Tom Holland, and Kevin Feige’s statements that Spider-man will be the only superhero that can jump cinematic universes, it’s almost a given he will be a big push for the second film’s marketing strategy. If audiences think this is Spider-Man 2.5, Sony’ll likely pull in far more of that rabid MCU market.
Prediction: $900m-$1.1b

5. No Time to Die (Cary Joji Fukunaga) – April 8
While the next James Bond film will likely suffer somewhat to the poorly received Spectre, and almost certainly won’t make anywhere near what Skyfall made (as that was riding on a 50th anniversary high), No Time to Die will likely ride on the success of Daniel Craig’s performance, and the fact that this may be his last time performing it.
Prediction: $950m-$1b

4. Wonder Woman 1984 (Patty Jenkins) – June 4
After Aquaman made a billion dollars after his proper introduction in the DCEU in Justice League, it’s clear the brand wasn’t irreparably damaged. With WW84, it’s safe to say that Patty Jenkins looks poised to strike gold again. Gal Gadot’s gross avg. for performances as Wonder Woman average out to about $783m, and the surprise critical and commercial success of the first film will carry this sequel to new heights. If they can push that jovial tone, it’ll get more family’s to go out and see it also.
Prediction: $980m-$1.03b

3. Mulan (Niki Caro) – March 27
With an all Chinese cast, and a story that much more closely resembles the classic legend told to Chinese children, this film will surely be a huge hit in the Chinese market. The drawback being that they’ve removed Mushu and much of the musical elements that stood out in the animated film, so that likely won’t be as appealing to American moviegoers. But the last three Disney live action giants, namely Beauty and the Beast, Aladdin, and The Lion King all did well over a billion. So with the Chinese push, I expect this to go far.
Prediction: $1.05-1.15b

2. Minions: The Rise of Gru – July 3
The Despicable Me franchise and Minions are special in that each consecutive sequel makes markedly more money at the box office than the last. While there’s always a peak, it may be too early to determine whether or not this franchise has seen it yet. The previous Minions film made a whopping $1.159b!
Prediction: $1.1-1.2b

1. Fast & Furious 9 (Justin Lin) – May 22
Sandwiched between Black Widow and Wonder Woman 1984, Fast & Furious 9 won’t have the breathing room to make as much money as 7 did, but it’s one of the biggest franchises ever in China (second only to The Avengers franchise). This movie will inevitably make more than a billion, and we believe it will be the highest grosser of the year.
Prediction: $1.2-1.35b

The Marvel Cinematic Universe Chronological Timeline | Complete Film and Show Edition

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The Marvel Cinematic Universe Chronological Timeline (v6.5) features the entirety of the live-action canon collection of films and shows that comprise the Marvel Cinematic Universe. This includes everything from Iron Man and Agent Carter to Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. and Spider-Man: Far From Home. The following article is a transcript from the video linked below. Enjoy.

This timeline comprises the entire live action Marvel Cinematic Universe including all shows and gets into spoiler-territory.

This timeline is meant to be a chronological viewing order. While some of the films and shows overlap, this timeline will generalize a title’s given dates to determine whether it takes place before or after another title in the list, giving primary weight to either the 3rd act, or climax. This means we won’t be breaking up the films or shows if they bounce around between different years. Also, please note, most of the mid and post credit scenes take place during different time periods than the film’s they’re attached to, and won’t be used in determining when a film occurs. I’m looking at you Doctor Strange. This will also include shows that have been cancelled, and they’ll remain on the timeline until officially deemed non-canonical.

Let’s begin!

Captain America: The First Avenger sets the backdrop to Earth 616 and the Marvel Cinematic Universe as the first film to introduce superheroes to the world, at least in the modern epoch, and ushers in a new age for mankind. Beginning at the height of America’s involvement in WW2, The First Avenger shows the birth of a superhero, one whose moral compass and character are just as impressive as his enhanced superhuman abilities. Taking place between 1942 and 1945, as well as a short stint in 2011, this is undoubtedly the first title in our list. Steve goes under the Arctic in March of 1945.

The second title should definitely be Agent Carter Season 1, which follows the love interest of Steve Rogers, in Peggy Carter. This takes place in Fall 1946, a year after the end of The First Avenger.

Agent Carter Season 2 continues Peggy’s fight against new Atomic Age threats as she moves from New York to Los Angeles in July of 1947.

The Marvel One-Shot: Agent Carter has been retconned to occur after the events of the first two seasons, and sees the start of what is to become S.H.I.E.L.D.

The next film, Captain Marvel, is one of the more recent films in the series, though it’s chronological placement is one of the earliest on the timeline. Here we follow a Kree-trained warrior named Vers to earth in search of several shape-shifting refugees known as the Skrull in 1995, only to discover her terrestrial origins as the Air Force Pilot Carol Danvers. Along the way she befriends a young Nick Fury and discovers the incredible extents of her power.

We push forward into 2008, with the film that started it all, Iron Man. Tony Stark, billionaire weapons dealer for the US government and CEO of Stark Industries, has a change of heart after being kidnapped by terrorists using his own weapons against him. Upon discovering shrapnel embedded in his chest and inching closer to his heart, he finds a new way to power not only him, but a means for his escape, and the subsequent line of suits that would identify him as Iron Man.

Iron Man 2 picks up 6 months after Ivan Vanko completes his response to the Iron Man armor, but here’s where some may take offense at our placement on the timeline. Instead of retconning Iron Man to occur later than 2008 as this film would suggest is necessary, we’ve kept it where it is due to later retcons in the series, and have subsequently moved Iron Man 2 as occurring in 2011. While we won’t get into too much detail as to why this is necessary here, please note that Iron Man 2, The Incredible Hulk, and Thor, run semi-concurrently.

The Incredible Hulk is perhaps the most retconned film in the MCU, having replaced both the lead actor in the role of the Hulk, as well as completely ignoring its own timeline retroactively. The timeline totally forgets about Emil Blonsky’s Abomination altogether. Should they bring him back? Let me know your thoughts! The film makes it very clear on multiple occasions that it occurs in May of 2007, 5 years after Bruce Banner subjects himself to gamma radiation and develops his angry alter-ego, the Hulk. Because of it’s involvement with Fury’s Big Week, a week long period which also encompasses Iron Man 2 and Thor, the film has been moved up to May and early-June, 2011.

In the short Marvel One-Shot: A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to Thor’s Hammer, Coulson stop’s a gas station robbery on his way to New Mexico.

Thor reintroduces the Asgardians onto Midgard, or Earth, in the modern era, having been away long enough for the Asgardians to fade away into Norse myth. After being stripped of his titles and rank, Thor must prove to himself and his king that he is again worthy to possess the powers once bestowed to him and enhanced by his hammer Mjolnir. His adopted brother, Loki, uses Thor’s weakened state to take control of Asgard. Thor occurs in 2011, beginning shortly after Iron Man 2 and The Incredible Hulk.

In the Marvel One-Shot: The Consultant, Coulson and Jasper Sitwell conspire to keep Emil Blonsky’s Abomination out of the Avengers Initiative. This actually occurs before the mid credits scene in The Incredible Hulk, but we’ll place it here so as not to break that film up.

There was an idea to bring together a group of remarkable people to see if they could become something more. And they certainly did with Marvel’s The Avengers. Set almost 1 year after Fury’s Big Week, The Avengers team up to stop a global threat of invasion in 2012 crafted by Thor’s brother Loki. The film would not only go on to transform and be referenced by future MCU films, but became hugely influential in how Hollywood has approached franchises in the years since. While Loki and the Chitauri army are the immediate threat, we later find that Thanos was behind the invasion all along.

In the Marvel One-Shot: Item 47, we find that Chitauri weaponry is being found and utilized by amateur bank robbers shortly after the events of the Avengers.

Iron Man 3 sees individuals from Tony’s past coming back to haunt him, as Aldrich Killian and Maya Hansen introduce the world to the Extremis project. We’re also introduced to someone claiming to be the Mandarin, but we won’t see the true Mandarin until Phase 4. This is an interesting film to try and fit into the timeline as it features dates that occur after the events of Thor: the Dark World, but is generally believed to occur before The Dark World. It’s confusing. We break it down in this video right here. Ultimately the film must occur a year prior to this date on this newspaper, during Christmas 2012.

In the Marvel One-Shot: All Hail the King, we regroup with Trevor Slattery to determine if he truly knows anything more about the Mandarin, and/or the Ten Rings organization. This occurs, likely, a few months after Iron Man 3.

Now we begin the introduction of Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D., as we dive into Season 1. Because of the show’s long 22 episode format, and the apparent time breaks within each season, we can place most of the show with some certainty, especially in its earlier seasons. The first 7 episodes introduce us to the S.H.I.E.L.D. team.

Thor: The Dark World naturally comes next. Every 5000 years the Convergence of the 9 Realms opens a portal between worlds, and Malekith uses it to unleash the power of the Aether to transform the universe back into eternal darkness. The Convergence occurs on November 17, 2013. Is this the worst film in the franchise? I personally enjoy it.

Episodes 8-16 of Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. season 1 arrive next, with events in Episode 8 picking up after The Dark World, and events in episodes 16 leading into The Winter Soldier.

With Captain America: The Winter Soldier we find ourselves in the summer of 2014. Adapting to life in the 21st century, Steve Rogers, along with Natasha Romanoff, find themsleves on the run from a rogue cell that’s taken over S.H.I.E.L.D. in HYDRA and a brand new threat arrives from Steve’s past, as we discover Bucky has become the Winter Soldier.

Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. season one, episodes 17-22 deal directly with the massive curveball of HYDRA infiltrating S.H.I.E.L.D.

Next up, we leave Earth to explore the Cosmic side of the Marvel Cinematic Universe. Guardians of the Galaxy takes place 26 years after Peter Quill, a young boy from Missouri, is abducted in 1988. Here Peter, now going by the moniker of Star-Lord, must team up with other galactic misfits to take down the Kree radical Ronan the Accuser. We’re also introduced to Thanos family in Gamora and Nebula. Without further information, we can only assume that Guardians of the Galaxy occurs sometime during the Summer of 2014, shortly after The Winter Soldier.

Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2 occurs only a few short months after the first film, and considering there are no other films that arrive concurrently between the two, they’ll show up side by side on our timeline. A mysterious entity introduces himself to Peter as Ego, his father, who helps unlock Peter’s true potential, but not all is as it seems, as being half Celestial has its drawbacks. This film likely occurs mid-late Fall 2014.

Daredevil season one ushers in the Netflix heroes into the MCU, as Matt Murdoch chooses a life of defending law by day and fighting crime by night. Wilson Fisk is perhaps the best villain we ever received with any of the Marvel TV shows, and is up there with the top MCU villains in general.

With Jessica Jones season 1 we close out 2014 with Jessica going up against her prior abuser, Kilgrave, in one of the MCU’s most chilling chapters. We’re also introduced to Luke Cage.

Cloak and Dagger season 1, while arriving in 2018, actually takes place 8 years after 2007 – which makes it early 2015. Tyrone and Tandy become intertwined with powers of light and darkness, and must band together to take down the evil corporate entity, Roxxon.

Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. season 2, episodes 1-19 is a series of episodes we’ve decided to consolidate to early 2015, considering even the time jumps between episodes never occur over long periods of time, and it doesn’t feel appropriate to split them up. That said, episode 19 ties directly into Avengers: Age of Ultron.

The Avengers must team up again in Avengers: Age of Ultron, as Tony and Bruce unintentionally unleash a dangerous artificially intelligent life form into the world. Ultron is intent on making the world a better place, a place run by machines who aren’t constrained by human emotion. The film ends with the unfortunate destruction of Sokovia. This event takes place in the Summer of 2015, as becomes evident by other titles in the series.

The final 3 episodes of Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. season 2, 20-22, follow events after the Battle of Sokovia.

We have the first season of WHIH Newsfront, a YouTube web-series of 5 episodes that chronicles the media coverage post-Sokovia. This was released on YouTube originally, but has since been removed.

The next film you’ll want to watch is Ant-Man, which takes place some short months later. Scott Lang is released from a 3-year prison sentence on July 17th, 2015, and after a few months trying to make a living and failing to pay child’s support, he reverts back to his old ways of burglary, only to find a dusty old suit that happens to be able to make him shrink down to the size of an ant. We’re also introduced to the Quantum Realm, which is highly important to the future of the MCU, especially in Phase 3. The film’s climax occurs on October 9th, 2015.

Simmons is trapped in the Monolith world in the first half of Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. season 3, episodes 1-10, shortly after Ant-Man.

Daredevil season 2 is next up, as we’re introduced to The Punisher.

Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. s3, Episodes 11-19 technically run concurrently to both Daredevil season 2 and Luke Cage season 1.

Luke Cage season 1 follows Luke as he becomes the hero that Harlem needs, some 4 years after Hulk rampaged through it. Luke faces off against both Cottonmouth and Diamondback in this season.

Brigid O’Reilly returns to Cloak and Dagger season 2 alongside Mayhem, her doppelgänger. It follows shortly after Luke Cage season 1, and actually discusses some of the events outlined at the end of Luke Cage’s first season. This show brings us into 2016. Though please bear in mind that the recent news that Cloak and Dagger and the Runaways team are teaming up in Runaways season 3 might mean that they are pushing the timeline for the entire Cloak and Dagger series up two years. But that’s not been determined yet; we’ll keep it where it is for now.

Iron Fist season 1 occurs in February 2016, as Danny Rand returns to New York after being presumed dead for over 15 years and he struggles to balance whether or not his duties to his families legacy are more important than who he is as the Iron Fist.

Defenders season one picks up just a short month or so after Iron Fist, and follows the entire Netflix Marvel cast, except the Punisher, as they collectively take down the Hand organization from destroying New York City. They really should’ve phoned in some Avengers for this one.

Season 2 of WHIH Newsfront was released between April and May 2016, but likely occurs in early to late March. It leads directly into the Lagos incident of Captain America: Civil War.

The Avengers team find themselves divided on two differing sides of a controversial new bill known as the Sokovia Accords, which effectively limits their freedom to protect citizens across sovereign borders due to damage they may or may not have been responsible for. Captain America: Civil War’s climax occurs within the first week of April 2016 and sees the Avengers team split down the middle. Please note that while many films occur in 2016, there is a fair amount of overlapping.

Black Panther picks up a week after King T’Chaka is killed in a terrorist attack that occurred during Civil War’s time frame. The film follows T’Challa as he undergoes the coronation ritual upon arriving back in his country of Wakanda, an African utopia hidden away from the rest of the world. Along the way he is challenged for the throne by Erik Killmonger, whose ultimate goal is to help aid those of African descent by arming them with Wakandan technology so they can overthrow their governments. The film occurs as early as the second week of April, and spans only a few days.

Let’s close out Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. season 3 with episodes 20-22, which follows shortly after the events of Civil War.

You’d think with almost a decade of films under their belt at this stage, the dates would just slide into place, right? Well then they go and release Spider-Man: Homecoming. A great film which introduces one of the Marvel’s most popular heroes and one of the MCU’s most personable villains to date in the Vulture, but a film that also boasts the worst timeline fumbles in the entirety of the MCU. Almost every date, time and reference to season is contradicted by other films in the MCU or by Homecoming itself.

A year after his introduction in Daredevil season 2, we join the Punisher in the first season of his spinoff show, which ends late November 2016.

Doctor Strange comes next on our timeline though, like we mentioned earlier, there’s some overlap with other films in 2016. In fact, Doctor Strange begins before even Civil War. Revolving around Steven Strange getting into an accident, and trying anything to get the proper use of his hands back, he eventually finds himself in Kamar Taj, under the tutelage of The Ancient One as he learns the mystical arts and becomes the Doctor Strange we know and love. The climax occurs at the tail end of 2016 and the mid and post credit scenes occur in 2017, once Steven apparently feels proficient enough to protect the Eye of Agamotto from his Sanctum in New York City.

The beginning and end of the Slingshot web-series takes place after episode 8 of Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. season 4, but the majority of the show occurs before the start of the season. Let’s not break it up though, as it would ruin the flow of the miniseries. This brings us into 2017.

Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. season four comes next, and we’ll keep the entire season together. This includes the Ghost Rider, Agents of HYDRA, and L.M.D. arcs.

Inhumans season 1 arrives after both the Terrigenesis event and the Inhuman registration act that followed the Sokovia Accords.

Jessica Jones season 2 falls in step at about May 2017, 17 years after the accident that took the lives of Jessica’s family. But it turns out that not the entire family was taken, as Jessica learns that her mother is still out there.

In Luke Cage season 2, Luke meets his match in Bushmaster, but perhaps his most noteworthy foe is none other than the owner of Harlem’s Paradise, Mariah Dillard. This occurs in August 2017.

While the first handful of episodes in Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. season 5 occur over 90 years in a far flung future, we’ll adhere to the character’s relative timelines, which would occur chronologically next on the timeline.

Thor: Ragnarok sees the return of Thor’s deranged older sister Hela, and upon facing off against her in the bifrost, gets transported to the alien world of Sakaar, where he meets an old friend from work. Despite what the mid credit scene would have you believe, Thor: Ragnarok does not take place directly before Infinity War. There is about a 5-7 month gap between this film’s main events and the scene in question. The film likely takes place mostly during Fall 2017.

Iron Fist season 2 arrives next, in or around November 2017. This season sees Danny lose his grasp on the Iron Fist mantle, and is a marked improvement in some ways to the first season.

Moving on to Daredevil season 3, wherein we’re introduced to the Netflix iteration of Bullseye. This occurs late in 2017, shortly after Iron Fist.

We’re pushing Runaways season 1 up a bit from our last timeline, as it does take place over the winter holiday season. Though there is little outward evidence to that effect.

In Runaways season 2, we finally see the cast doing what they were cast to do; running away. Beginning just a day after the end of the first season and moving into 2018, it wouldn’t make sense to break up these two seasons.

The Punisher season 2 occurs over a year after the first season, and picks up after Daredevil season 3, which is confirmed by the personal arc of Karen Page.

Jessica Jones season three is the last Marvel Netflix show on our list and occurs just a short month or so before the Snap.

Back in the presumed normal timeline Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. season 5, episodes 11-18 fall into step right here.

Ant-Man and the Wasp, however, occurs mid-April 2018. The film takes place a little over two years after Civil War, and this is notable as Scott Lang’s just about to end his probation period for events he aided in said film. He and Hope become entangled in a quantum heist as Hank Pym attempts to bring Janet back from, well, quantum entanglement. A popular theory holds that this film occurs concurrently to Infinity War, and we’ve even mentioned that on occasion here, but aside from the mid-credits scene wherein we see the effects of the Snap, there’s no evidence that that is the case. Between the climax and the mid credits is at least a week long resolution period.

The final 4 episodes of Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. season 5, episodes 19-22, lead into the events of Infinity War with references to Thanos, the Avengers, and even the aliens in NY. These episodes are concurrent to the events in Infinity War.

Avengers: Infinity War occurs over 3 days, with the climactic snap being, at the earliest, on or after April 19th, 2018. The latest date would probably be June 3rd. The film sees the Mad Titan Thanos attempt to rid half the universe of life by collecting all 6 Infinity Stones, a threat even the Avengers will have trouble defending against.

Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. season 6 will just have to go here until they explain themselves. It is supposedly a year after the Snap, but there’s no reference to it in the slightest, and nobody appears affected. This may be the last iteration of the timeline where these shows are still considered canon, unless something further is clarified.

Avengers: Endgame, the sequel to Infinity War, follows 5 years after the snap in the previous film, as the Avengers need to regroup to take Thanos down for good. But that won’t be as easy as it sounds. Endgame bounces around on the timeline, but the primary time period is a bit over 5 years after Avengers: Infinity War, at about October 2023.

Spider-Man: Far From Home is the latest film on our timeline, taking place 8 months after what is known as the blip from Endgame and the death of Tony Stark, Peter Parker and friends go on an end of year trip to Europe. Unfortunately for him, it won’t be much of a vacation, as everywhere he goes happens to be attacked by giant elemental monsters. This movie takes place in late June, early July 2024. There is one major inconsistency, and that’s the inclusion of the Signal Lights Festival which happens in October. Peter claims that he is still 16 in this film, meaning he’s been 16 for over 18 months, but if his birthday is August 10th, and he was blipped back in October, he wouldn’t count that year, as he’s only ever experienced 16 August 10th’s, so that adds up.

How did we do with our timeline? Let us know down below.

When Does Thor Take Place?

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The placement of Thor is pivotal to the chronology of the Phase One films, as it’s the last release that occurs in Fury’s Big Week. This is part 4 of a 20 part video series discussing when each film in the MCU takes place. So when does Thor take place.

“Your ancestors called it magic, and you call it science. Well I come from a place where they’re one and the same thing.”

The opening of the film begins with Laufey and the Frost Giants invading Tonsburg, Norway in 965 A.D. Then we get a short scene from some indeterminate year some century or two afterwards with Odin explaining how he saved Midgard from an eternal winter.

Thor is the first film in the series that has absolutely no modern dates attached to it in any form, so the present is open for some interpretation. Since it occurs during Fury’s Big Week, we can interpret that the first present day begins on May 30th, the day after Tony Stark’s birthday party. According to Fury’s timeline, Thor occurs over 4 days. But after thoroughly studying the film we can say with some certainty that it takes place over 3 days and nights, the last day being June 1st.

But what year does it take place? We’ve mentioned in the three previous parts that there’s a strong possibility of Fury’s Big Week occurring in 2011, instead of 2010, and it all revolves around Thor. In Avengers, which we explain in part 6, occurs in 2012, Fury has this to say: “Last year earth had a visitor from another planet who had a grudge match that leveled a small town.” At first I thought this may have been a mistake, considering he didn’t also mention the events of The Incredible Hulk and Iron Man 2, which were far more potentially catastrophic than what we saw in Thor, and they supposedly occurred concurrently. But then this line from Thor: The Dark World, which we explain in part 8 occurs in 2013, said “Last time he was gone for, like, two years.” Both lines together would firmly retcon the events of, not only Thor, but The Incredible Hulk and Iron Man 2 as taking place in May 2011. In total, 2.4% of the runtime takes place in 965, 1.6% in some indeterminate year, and 96% in 2011.


More collected notes from Thor:

–965: (2.4% of the runtime) Laufey and the Frost Giants invade Tonsburg, Norway (00:03:32), effectively trying to turn the world back into an Ice Age. Odin fought Laufey back and presumably the war, which also raged in Jotunheim, lasted the single year. It was the last great war with the Frost Giants.

Indeterminate year: (1.6% of the runtime) Thor and Loki learn of their history, and the last war with the Frost Giants. In Infinity War, Thor claims that he’s 1500 years old, meaning that by the time he was roughly the age of the actor portraying Thor in this scene (Dakota Goyo, age 11), it would have been some short 100 or so years after the last war with the Frost Giants.

2011, divided into days based on their proximity to Tony Stark’s birthday on the “Fury’s Big Week” timeline for lack of dates featured in film: (96% of the runtime)

  • Day 1 – May 30th: Thor’s coronation. Odin claims that he is his firstborn (00:09:02). Three Frost Giants sneak into Asgard’s weapon vault, but are quickly dispatched. Thor later, along with his friends and Loki, invade Jotunheim. The very same night, Odin banishes Thor to earth and strips him of his titles and power. He is subsequently hit by Jane Foster and her team. He spends the night in a hospital after being tranquilized.
  • Day 2 – May 31st: Thor’s hammer, Mjolnir, is found in New Mexico. Locals begin partying with it. Jane Foster picks Thor up from the hospital. Loki discovers he is Laufey’s son. S.H.I.E.L.D. claims possession of Jane Foster’s equipment, while Thor goes in search for his hammer. Thor attempts to reclaim his hammer from S.H.I.E.L.D., but is found unworthy. Dr. Selvig and Thor get hammered.
  • Day 3 – June 1st: Sif and the Warrior’s Three arrive on Midgard, somewhere near Puente Antiguo. Loki sends the Destroyer to stop Thor from returning to Asgard, but in so doing effectively reboot Thor’s power, after proving he’s worthy. Loki brings Laufey and the Frost Giants into Asgard via the bifrost, only to double cross them in an attempt to seem as though he were protecting Odin. To protect Jotunheim from complete destruction, Thor destroys the bifrost.

– There are literally no discernable modern dates to be found on any screen, clock, page, or note in the entire film, so it’s the first film in the series that can truly be interpreted however one would like, though it clearly occurs over the course of 3 days, and not 4 (as Fury’s Big Week would have you believe).

Supplemental info: Fury claims, in The Avengers, that the events of Thor take place the year prior to that film, which would make it 2011, but that brings to the fore new issues, as the rest of the films prior to The Avengers would need to be moved up, and that would be retconned in future films regardless. In Thor: The Dark World, Darcy claims it was two years that Thor had been missing since the first film, again placing it in 2011.

When Does Iron Man 2 Take Place?

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The first couple of films in the MCU’s lineup are mostly clear as to when they occur, but have all mostly been retconned. Iron Man 2, however, gives us an adequate month to place several films on the list. This is part 3 of a 20 part video series dedicated to determine where each Marvel film takes place.

“Oh! Boy I’m good. I commandeered your screens. I need ‘em. Time for a little transparency.”

The opening of the film begins in Russia, and we see a montage of newspapers and magazines that, all said, denote at least 7 months have passed since May 2008. The subsequent title screen claims that 6 months have passed. If, as we’ll explain later, this film has been retconned to occur in 2011, does that mean Iron Man 1 took place in 2010? We explained why that’s not possible in part 1, so let’s rationalize that the 6 months later title card was in reference to that montage sequence in the beginning and not the first film.

The initial dates featured in the film date it to early February 2009, which would fit pretty well with the first film. However, when Natasha Romanoff is introduced we see she has on her resume that she begins working with Stark Industries in June 2010, though Pepper claims she’s one of a few potential interns, so that date likely hasn’t occurred yet as she hasn’t truly been hired at this point, and that date is when she’ll formally begin. The Monaco Grand Prix occurred in real-life on May 16th in 2010, so we can place that date with some certainty. A couple weeks later we see Tony celebrating his birthday in a way only he truly knows how to as well as getting in a huge fight with Rhodes, and that falls on May 29th. And that event, if it’s to be believed, occurs on the first night of Fury’s Big Week. The rest of the film runs concurrently to the events in both The Incredible Hulk and Thor.

While we here at Geekritique prefer dating Fury’s Big Week to late May, early June 2010, there’s some substantial evidence it’s been retconned in future films to occur in 2011. We’ll discuss that in more depths in parts 4, 6 and 8. 3.7% takes place in 2010, and another 96.3% takes place in 2011. Next time, in Part 4, we’ll find out When Thor Takes Place?


More collected notes from Iron Man 2 (with timestamps from the German 4K Blu-Ray release using proposed dates from within the film):

2008(?) 3.7% of runtime: Opening: Forbes cover from Iron Man 1 now reads that Tony Stark takes over at Stark Industries on January 28, 1992, (00:03:39) but this is too early. Scientific American from August (00:04:12), probably 2008, which is at least 3 months after the first film. Iron Man is featured as Time Magazine’s Person of the Year (00:04:24), which means at least 7 months have already passed by the time of that issues release.

2009(?): The ‘6 months later’ title card (00:05:34) can either be interpreted as 6 months after Ivan Vanko created his own arc reactor, or 6 months after “I am Iron Man,” on May 25th, 2008. It likely refers to Ivan Vanko, as the newspaper/magazine montage in the opening shows events that exceed 6 months post “I am Iron Man.” Tony Stark says the last Stark Expo was in 1974 (00:08:43). Justin Hammer claims that Tony Stark made the Iron Man suit within the last 6 months (00:13:23), whih may be an approximation, or he’s referring to the building of Mark IV. Tony’s computer reads that it is late on the date of Mon 02 09 (00:18:35) and the only interpretation of that which fits is Monday, February 9th, 2009, which is when Tony asks Pepper to become CEO of Stark Enterprises. At (00:21:05) the tv reads that there are 362 days left of Stark Exposo presuming Tony’s inauguration was the first of 365 days, it began Friday the February 6th. The Senate hearing must have been the following morning. Later in the film, Tony’s computer also reads “Mon 02 09” (01:31:31), making the date irrelevant.

2010 96.3% of runtime: Files on Natalie Rushman claim she became a Stark legal assistant in June 2010 (00:25:08), a much more prominent date than the previous one dating the film to 2009. It’s unlikely a significant amount of time has elapsed since the previous date, considering they’re still in the process of changing over ownership of the CEO position, effectively overriding the previous date. Natalie is said to be one of several applicants, so the date may be a premature résumé.

– The real-life Monaco Grand Prix occurs on May 16th in 2010. Pepper claims that Christine Everhart did quite the spread on Tony the previous year (00:28:09), which is either 2008 or 2009. On the way back from Monaco, Tony asks Pepper to cancel his birthday party (00:41:44); according to the Avengers, his birthday is May 29th, so the Grand Prix dates may still work.

– According to the New York Times, Anton Vanko was accused of espionage on June 27, 1967 (00:47:44). Anton was born on 15.02.1943… but also in 1919 on the same frame (00:47:52). Ivan Vanko was also born on the same day 1968 (00:47:53). The dates featured in this montage are ATROCIOUS. The same frame claims Ivan Vanko died in prison on December 24th… Ivan Vanko is convicted for 15 years on 12/02/93 (00:48:28). According to The Dallas Record, Anton defects in 1966 (01:13:37), but earlier it was 1963. Useless.

– Stark has his birthday party, making it May 29th (00:53:11).

– Fury’s Big Week: Fury claims he has bigger problems in the Southwest region (01:03:40), referring to Thor’s presence. In the items left by Howard Stark, scenes from the Expo Intro from 74 date to 9-15-73 (01:13:45).

– Justin Hammer’s presentation occurs 343 days from the Stark Expo’s conclusion (01:31:57), 19 days after Tony appointed Pepper as CEO. Tony claims it’s only been “like a week” since Pepper became CEO (01:53:34).

– One week later Stark is sitting with Fury going over information from Natasha Romanoff’s assessment of Tony Stark, and he claims that it was last week that he displays compulsive behavior (01:55:13). Again, this argues against Fury’s Big Week, despite the inclusion of The Incredible Hulk footage.

The dates have subsequently been retconned to 2010-2011.

When Does the Incredible Hulk Take Place?

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The Incredible Hulk has become the most detached film from the MCU canon, and its timeline is one of the most confusing. This is part 2 of a 20 part video series dedicated to determine where each Marvel film takes place. Let’s try and explain where this film occurs.

“You don’t have to do this; please, this is insane!” “Betty, I’ve gotta try!”

The film begins with a montage of dates and articles wherein the Hulk has been seen over a 5 year period and the latest date noted was January 22nd, 2007, but this can be disregarded as the film later contradicts it. Banner has been on the run for 5 years according to General Ross, and was last seen fleeing on October 21st 2006. Since then, it’s been five months, so it’s now around March. Bruce goes 158 days without hulking out, which fits with March 2007.

Later we see that Blomsky’s rules of engagement are dated to the 24th of March, 2007. Bruce loses his streak and Hulks out in Brazil. 17 days later, he heads to Culver University, and eventually meets back up with Betty. The rest of the film occurs during Fury’s Big Week, with the battle of Harlem supposedly 4 days later, making it April 14th, 2007.

But that’s too easy! It can’t be 2007, as that’s before the first Iron Man, and we see that it’s concurrent with the events of Iron Man 2 and Thor in those films, though slightly later chronologically. So when do these films occur? Iron Man 2 would have you believe they occurred in 2010, while Avengers again retconned it to occur in 2011. So forget about any in-film dates for this movie. This film has been totally retconned to occur in May and early June of 2011, as we’ll explain further in Parts 4, 6, and 8 of this series.


More info collected from The Incredible Hulk (with the proposed dates from within the film):

– 2002(?)-2007: Opening Montage: Several dates are given. According to a Culver University ID card, Bruce was born “1969 • 12 • 18” (00:02:01). Initial Hulk testing done on March, 07, though the year is unclear (00:02:02). Picture of destroyed truck dated to 2006 (00:00:07). The montage also dates up to January 22 2007 (00:02:09), though this is contradicted less than a minute later as he wasn’t supposed to have any incidents in that time frame. Banner attempted contact with Elizabeth Ross on February 7th 2006 (00:02:39). Dates leading back to April 18 2004 are seen (00:02:50), but later the film claims Banner’s been on the run for 5 years. “Last seen fleeing Oct, 21 2006” and “no sightings for 5 months” (00:02:52) meaning the film must occur during Mar 2007.

– 2007: Days without incident – 158. Coincides with the 5 months of no sightings. Rules of engagement given to Blonsky were published 24MAR07 (00:14:33). Based on the fact that this information would be time sensitive to General Ross, Banner’s Hulking out in Brazil was likely the same day.

  • April: 17 days without incident (00:34:26), making this April 10th, roughly. Betty claims to have not spoken to the General in Years. General Ross claims that he was turned into the Hulk 5 years ago (01:08:52), likely March 7th, 2002.